tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post264858006704231254..comments2023-10-17T06:20:27.950-04:00Comments on Clément Fortin: MÉMOIRE D'ALTON PRICE AU GROUPE DE LA RÉVISION DES CONDAMNATIONS CRIMINELLES (5e partie)Clément Fortinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-36023957765137962042010-04-15T14:08:52.936-04:002010-04-15T14:08:52.936-04:00To: Curieuse de savoir
-- May I be permitted to a...To: Curieuse de savoir<br /><br />-- May I be permitted to answer this question:<br /><br />As Mr. Price self-published his book with limited funds, it would have been a big additional cost to locate a professional artist to create a cover, more so in colour.<br /><br />Having been a friend of Mr. Price for many years, I agreed to make up the cover. The revolver and bullets have absolutely no significance whatsoever except to imply the air of mystery which surrounds the Coffin case. <br /><br />Sincerely,<br />ChristineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-13099006689171169732010-04-15T13:23:10.185-04:002010-04-15T13:23:10.185-04:00Monsieur Viens,
Vous avez raison. Il ne s'agit...Monsieur Viens,<br />Vous avez raison. Il ne s'agit pas d'un vol. Pour qu'il y ait vol, il faut deux éléments: acteus reus et mens rea. Il n'y a certes pas d'intention coupable de la part de l'avocat Maher. Il semble rendre service à son client. C'est pour cette raison, sans doute, que le juge Brossard parle de l'enlèvement de la carabine par l'avocat Maher.Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-29845442640361913572010-04-15T13:18:24.240-04:002010-04-15T13:18:24.240-04:00Curieuse de savoir,
J'ai fait suivre votre com...Curieuse de savoir,<br />J'ai fait suivre votre commentaire à Monsieur Price.Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-11512495864813117552010-04-15T13:09:33.714-04:002010-04-15T13:09:33.714-04:00Me Fortin,
Monsieur Price dit que l'avocat Ray...Me Fortin,<br />Monsieur Price dit que l'avocat Raymond Maher a volé la carabine que Baker lui avait prêtée. Il ne s'agit pas d'un vol. Si j'ai bien compris, c'est Coffin qui a demandé à son avocat de la faire disparaître. Expliquez-nous s.v.p. pourquoi il s'agirait d'un vol comme le dit Mr. Price?<br />Ludger ViensAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-44510065256533572962010-04-15T10:58:00.871-04:002010-04-15T10:58:00.871-04:00Je ne comprends pas la couverture du livre de Mr. ...Je ne comprends pas la couverture du livre de Mr. Price. Pourquoi un revolver et deux balles?<br />Curieuse de savoirAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-10442546119032437912010-04-14T19:54:05.660-04:002010-04-14T19:54:05.660-04:00Oui, ce serait formidable de mettre en ligne cette...Oui, ce serait formidable de mettre en ligne cette séance d'école.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-4618099817049077582010-04-13T00:20:29.037-04:002010-04-13T00:20:29.037-04:00Désolé Me Fortin,
Je n'ai pas les contacts pou...Désolé Me Fortin,<br />Je n'ai pas les contacts pour obtenir ces documents. Je passe la commande à un autre. Merci<br />Pierre MichaudAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-31434670326886763272010-04-12T20:58:03.607-04:002010-04-12T20:58:03.607-04:00M. Michaud,
Je vous incite à faire la démarche pou...M. Michaud,<br />Je vous incite à faire la démarche pour obtenir ces textes. Il me ferait vraiment plaisir de les publier sur mon blogue.Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-84937404788643945422010-04-12T20:27:57.267-04:002010-04-12T20:27:57.267-04:00Me Fortin,
Savez-vous si c'est possible d'...Me Fortin,<br />Savez-vous si c'est possible d'obtenir les textes de présentation de ce procès de Coffin devant le Tribunal de l'Histoire. Vous pourriez les présenter sur votre blogue.<br />Pierre MichaudAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-90706917631389135292010-04-12T10:12:54.445-04:002010-04-12T10:12:54.445-04:00Ti-Jean,
Je crois que le ministre responsable de l...Ti-Jean,<br />Je crois que le ministre responsable de la Commission nationale doit savoir comment celle-ci dépense l'argent des contribuables. C'est inacceptable de se servir de l'argent des contribuables pour dénigrer notre système judiciaire. Merci!Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-86601778257777698122010-04-12T09:35:50.180-04:002010-04-12T09:35:50.180-04:00Bravo Ti-Jean,
Je n'en reviens pas qu'on a...Bravo Ti-Jean,<br />Je n'en reviens pas qu'on ait invité Pascal Alain, un historien philosophe comme témoin expert à ce tribunal pour réciter des ragots devant d'innocents participants. La Commission de la capitale nationale devrait faire attention quand elle dépense nons taxes.<br />Pierre ChouinardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-31061792633657020012010-04-12T08:26:10.836-04:002010-04-12T08:26:10.836-04:00Me Fortin, ici Ti-Jean le Kébécois. Je me suis per...Me Fortin, ici Ti-Jean le Kébécois. Je me suis permis d'écrire cette lettre à M. Sam Hamad, ministre responsable de la Commission de la capitale nationale :<br />Monsieur Hamad,<br />J'aimerais connaître les raisons qui poussent un organisme comme la Commission de la capitale nationale à s'associer au Tribunal de l'Histoire pour infirmer un verdict rendu par un jury dans le procès de La reine c. Wilbert Coffin. La Cour d'appel du Québec et la Cour suprême du Canada ont confirmé ce verdict. <br />De plus, l'affaire Coffin a fait l'objet d'une enquête par une Commission royale d'enquête créée par le gouvernement du Québec. Comment pouvez-vous, avec l'argent des contribuables, encourager cette parodie de notre système de justice qu'est le Tribunal de l'Histoire? La présentation de ce semblant de procès ne reflétait pas, mais pas du tout, la réalité. Me Clément Fortin, avocat à la retraite, a consacré à l'affaire Coffin un ouvrage que Wilson & Lafleur a publié sous le titre "L'affaire Coffin: une supercherie ?" De plus, au moment où il lançait son livre, il créait un blogue consacré à cette affaire, et que je vous invite à consulter: http://fortinclement.blogspot.com<br />Vous remarquerez que ce livre et ce blogue confirment les conclusions de la Commission Brossard sur l'affaire Coffin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-77230517645770076292010-04-11T15:19:42.177-04:002010-04-11T15:19:42.177-04:00Pour moi, Coffin est une victime de la guerre. C&#...Pour moi, Coffin est une victime de la guerre. C'est là qu'il a appris à se soûler comme un cochon. Ajoutez à cela,ce qu'on appelle, les effets post-traumtiques du combat et vous avez peut-être un meurtrier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-29932742663685051322010-04-11T13:41:35.963-04:002010-04-11T13:41:35.963-04:00L'homme était pas mal tout le temps paqueté d&...L'homme était pas mal tout le temps paqueté d'après ce qu'on voit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-65831553570311809092010-04-11T12:14:25.196-04:002010-04-11T12:14:25.196-04:00Monsieur Leblond,
Voyez aussi mon carnet du 29/05/...Monsieur Leblond,<br />Voyez aussi mon carnet du 29/05/09. J'offre aussi une traduction de ce "Statement".Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-32103226772899805582010-04-11T12:12:04.652-04:002010-04-11T12:12:04.652-04:00A couple of days after my husband had been in Mont...A couple of days after my husband had been in Montreal, my brother William told me that Wilbert was giving him a German Luger revolver and he did not know what to do with it. He told me a few days later that he had sold it, that he did not want to keep it. He did not mention to who he had sold it, nor what money he got for it.<br />Wilbert being pretty always tanked up while he was home, gave our son the jack-knife and binoculars to play with, so I decided to take them out of the house so that he would not see them again and handed them over to some distant relation of mine, Dennis Renshaw who lives at 6244 de Normandville Street, together with some other distant relation of mine Gordie Bowes. That is where they were fetched from on the morning of August 6th 1953, when I went from Police headquarters to my home to turn over the things left in Montreal by my husband.<br />On Sunday, July 19th, I heard a broadcast over the radio saying that Wilbert Coffin was being looked for as he was presumably the last one who had seen the three Americans reported lost in the woods behind Gaspé. After hearing that broadcast, I telephoned to Gaspé and talked with Edith and asked her if Wilbert was in Gaspé, and she answered no, I told her that I thought he was in La Tuque, with his father, and that he would be in Gaspé either Sunday or Monday.<br />Around July 26 1953, I phoned again to Gaspé and as I wanted to talk to Wilbert’s father. It was Wilbert’s sister, Rhoda who came over the phone. I asked her how things were down there, and was answered everything was all right. The same question about my end, and the same answer. Having asked her why her mother had not come to the phone, she told me that she was upset about her son being mentioned in that affair. Rhoda told me that she was sure Wilbert had nothing to do with that, and I also told her the same.<br />About two weeks ago I wrote my husband, asking him what the score was down there and other personal things, but so far did not get any answer.<br />The German Luger revolver shown to me this morning is the same one that Wilbert had and that I saw last winter in Gaspé.<br /> (Signed) Marion Petrie<br />Witnesses: (signed) JE Généreux<br /> “ Raoul Sirois, Capt.<br /> “ JA. Mate<br />Copy/rl<br />QUÉBEC<br />11-9-55<br />Copie/el<br />QUEBEC<br />31-8-54Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-8973265183219573102010-04-11T12:11:22.475-04:002010-04-11T12:11:22.475-04:00container was a small box of heavy cardboard. The ...container was a small box of heavy cardboard. The truck was then taken back to the front of the house by my brother William and the only things left in the truck at that moment were a pair of chain and a bag of coal, a galvanized iron pail and a piece of canvas that covered these things.<br />-Sheet two = Mrs. Wilbert Coffin<br />From the time of his arrival, my husband stayed around the place until on or about the 22nd of June 1953, when he went up to Cornwall, Ont., visiting his sister Mrs. Bert Williamson who lives somewhere on Riverdale street. I am pretty sure that he came back the same day. During the evening of the 23rd of June 1953, coming back from my brother in law Moe Sauvé’s place, who lived at that time at 8036 Durocher Street, we collided with a street car, at the corner of Durocher and Ogilvie. Wilbert was knocked out and taken to St-Lu Hospital and so was I. The truck was taken to a garage. We stayed in the hospital for a few hours, and we were then told to go back home. This accident occurred around 11.45 P.M. I remember that a few days after, Wilbert asked my brother to go to the garage where the truck had been towed and to bring back the chains that were in the truck. My brother went to the garage but when he arrived there, he was told that the Insurance Company Representative had come to get the truck and nobody knew where it was. This accident delayed the return of my husband to Gaspé, as he had mentioned about leaving the next morning. From the date of the accident up to July 10th 1953, he remained at our place. He then left on July 10th 1953, by taxi, carrying with him the two sleeping bags, one packsack and a suit-case. When he left the house, I understood that he was going to check his luggage for Gaspé. He did not show up the rest of the day. On Saturday July 11th 1953, he came back to our home on de Laroche Street at about eleven o’clock a.m. and he was quite tight. He then went to bed until sometime in the afternoon. Late during the evening, between ten and eleven, I left with my brother William and Wilbert, in my brother’s car, and we drove up to Wilbert’s aunt, Mrs. Maynard Coffin who lives at 3800 Mentana Street. My brother and I left him there, and we drove back home. I had no idea when he was going to leave town, but later on I heard that he had had dinner at his sister’s place on Sunday night July 12th and then left. The next I heard from Wilbert was when I had the phone call from him from Val d’Or. On the phone he told me that he was up in Val d’Or to meet some people regarding his mining business. That phone call was received from Wilbert during the afternoon of July 16th. He also told me then that he was expecting to go through La Tuque to visit his father, and that after “we will go down to Gaspé and we expect o be there either Sunday or Monday”.<br />Wilbert also had, when he arrived in Montréal, a little over night suitcase, in which he had blue jeans, underwear, shirts, socks. This suitcase did not look new and to my knowledge I had never seen it before.<br />I is to my knowledge that during the time he was in Montreal, he had borrowed money from my brother William, I did not know the amount; $20.00 from my sister in law Ivy (Mrs. Sauvé); he telephoned to his brother Donald, in Gaspé, asking him for some money and was telegraphed $10.00 or $12.00; after having written his father in La Tuque, he got a cheque but I do not know for which amount. I never saw any American money in his hands while he was up here in Montreal.<br />He received, while he was in Montreal, a telegram from A. MacDonald which read “Come back to Gaspé important” and signed A. Mac Donald. Wilbert wired back to MacDonald telling him that if he wanted him in Gaspé to wire back to him $40.00. He never got any answer from MacDonald, and that was all.Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-90155145451450841262010-04-11T12:10:32.024-04:002010-04-11T12:10:32.024-04:00Tel que vous me l’avez demandé, voici la première ...Tel que vous me l’avez demandé, voici la première partie de ce Statement :<br />Montréal, Que. 6 August 1953<br />Statement of Mary Ann (Mrs. Wilbert Coffin) born Petrie, 6327, de Laroche, Street, Montréal, Que.<br />I have known Wilbert Coffin for about seven years. I had met him in Montréal, and then went to Val d’Or, where we had in mind to get married, but never did, so far. We have a son, named James, five years of age, and who lives with me at 6327 de Laroche. We stayed in Gaspé about four years together. My husband doing cooking at Baker’s Hotel in Gaspé<br />Last March, I left Gaspé for Montréal to visit my mother at 6327 de Laroche Street. I have been there ever since. My husband arrived during the night of the 14th/15th of June 1953. He was then driving a Chev ‘53 truck, half ton truck. The truck was green with a steel box, known as pick up truck. When he arrived at 6327 de Laroche, he was alone, and feeling good (under the influence of liquor). He rang at the door and I went to answer. When he came in, he brought with him a leather case containing a pair of binoculars, a big jack-knife with many gadgets on it, and he also took in prospecting maps. About half an hour after he came in, he went out to the truck and came back with a quart of beer, stating that this was his last one. After a while, I asked him if he should not take in the rest of the things he had in the truck, but he said no. We did not go to bed that night, and during the course of the conversation, Wilbert mentioned something about an American party of thee men that were in the woods behind Gaspé hunting. He said that when he met them, they were in a bad fix and that he had helped them out. He said that their truck had had something repaired on the gas line. He said that he took that American back into the bush, and tried in vain to make the repairs. He also said that when he left them, they were alone the three of them. I suppose that he told me those things to explain how he had the pair of binoculars and the jack-knife, because he said that the American had given them to him as a payment for his trip from the woods to Gaspé and back into the woods. He never mentioned receiving any money from them.<br />During the night of his arrival, I asked Wilbert if he had some money for me since he had not sent any for quite a while a long time. He reached for his shirt pocket and pulled out a certain amount of money (Canadian currency) of which he gave me fifteen dollars.) <br />I might also mention that he had made the trip with a fellow who he had dropped at Québec. He never mentioned any more about this fellow, not giving his name.<br />During the morning of the 15th of June 1953, around ten o’ clock, he went out and came back with a bottle of whiskey, which he drank the same day. It was during the late part of the afternoon, I suggested that he would bring in the rest of the stuff he had in the truck, so they went around and by the lane and my brother helped him to get the stuff in.<br />The following articles were taken out of the truck and brought part in the shed, pat in the house:- In the shed were left an axe, a buck saw, a spade, a boiling pail and an oil can (5 gallon), a pail (galvanized iron). In the house were brought two sleeping bags, a cardboard box with groceries: a few cans of sardines, some tea, coffee, sugar, (a small quantity of each, about half a pound), a few tins of canned milk CARNATION, a few cans of beans, some butter, two loaves of bread wrapped in waxed paper coming here from Langlois or Peterson bakery, Gaspé, some tins of tomatoes, one big box of matches, about a dozen of eggs wrapped in stripped paper and the (voyez la suite au prochain commentaire)Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-64342418591369869682010-04-11T11:54:03.889-04:002010-04-11T11:54:03.889-04:00Me Fortin je ne trouve pas ce statement sur votre ...Me Fortin je ne trouve pas ce statement sur votre blogue. Pouvez-vous le republier s.v.p.<br />Jacques LeblondAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-33346670568123813672010-04-10T21:58:52.272-04:002010-04-10T21:58:52.272-04:00Aux anonymes qui aimeraient savoir quelle sorte d&...Aux anonymes qui aimeraient savoir quelle sorte d'homme était Wilbert Coffin, je leur suggère de lire le "statement" de sa maîtresse Marion Petrie. Me Fortin a déjà publié ce document sur son blogue.<br />B. LagacéAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-36829520202198969962010-04-08T06:52:08.330-04:002010-04-08T06:52:08.330-04:00Mitchell's e-mail:
lrm@shaw.caMitchell's e-mail:<br />lrm@shaw.caAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-40855189546583836332010-04-08T00:35:51.506-04:002010-04-08T00:35:51.506-04:00Mr. Stoddard's blog has been inactive since De...Mr. Stoddard's blog has been inactive since December last. I wonder if, during his illness, Ms Lani Mitchell could not take over and carry on with this blog. Lots of people would be happy to read her posts. Anyone knows her email? Please give it to me, I will get in touch with her.<br />BillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-37216430904195673352010-04-08T00:27:37.427-04:002010-04-08T00:27:37.427-04:00Je vous signale qu'Alton Price consacre le cha...Je vous signale qu'Alton Price consacre le chapitre 2 de son livre à Wilbert Coffin, l'homme.<br /><br />I bring to your attention that Alton Price, at chapter 2 of his book, talk about Wilbert Coffin, the man.Clément Fortinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09010500186495242932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-80340390512481260012010-04-07T21:52:41.697-04:002010-04-07T21:52:41.697-04:00M.Price,
Comment Wilbert Coffin était -il percu pa...M.Price,<br />Comment Wilbert Coffin était -il percu par les gens de sa communauté , qui était cet homme ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4338274291395134766.post-91331994085076827172010-04-07T21:32:31.404-04:002010-04-07T21:32:31.404-04:00Il n'y a pas, il n'y a jamais eu,
il n'...Il n'y a pas, il n'y a jamais eu,<br />il n'y aura jamais , de témoin expert sur Wilbert Coffin, l'homme , encore moins sur l'affaire Coffin ,et là je ne reproche rien à M.Pascal Alain. Même la propre famille de Coffin, ses parents, sa parentée,ni sa conjointe et son fils, ni personne ne sait rien ou du moins n'est jamais venu décrire qui était cet homme .<br />Cinquante années plus tard, on en connait, pas plus long, avec certitude , sur la personnalité de cet être énigmatique .<br />On ne saura donc jamais quels pourraient être les raisons véritables qui rattachent son nom aux meurtres non expliqués des trois chasseurs américains.<br />Cette conspiration du silence n'a qu'un but, cacher les noms des vrais coupables.<br />M.Alton Price a consacré des années de recherches sur le terrain même où se sont déroulés ces évênements,dans le milieu même de ces gens peu loquaces, pour en tirer des bribes de débuts de pistes , qu'il a toutes explorées ,les moqueurs ont ri de ses découvertes .<br />La vérité finit toujours par sortir, un jour ou l'autre .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com